Where is the logic?
Q. Why are they attacking you?
A. Because we killed a lot of them and stole their land.
Q. So, why do you not give them their land back and instead taking a lot more of it?
A. Because we need safe borders.
Eh ... ?
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (written by an Israeli Jewish Historian): https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1549871981&sr=8-1&keywords=the+ethnic+cleansing+of+palestine
The map of the progressive Zionist violent takeover of Palestine: https://epfnational.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/map-2.jpg
The UN partition plan of Palestine (1947): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_United_Nations#/media/File%3AUN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png
The Yinon Plan: https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
A Clean Break: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm
Who’s the real aggressor, you say?
I see that this thread is frequented by a pro-Zionist majority. Fine.
The reason for the conflict is really simple. The Zionsts stole the Palestinians country, land, towns, farms, houses and are still doing it, against UN proclamations and international law.
Here is a progressive map: https://epfnational.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/map-2.jpg
Here is a book (written by an Israeli Jewish Historian): https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1549866942&sr=8-1&keywords=the+ethnic+cleansing+of+palestine
The only country in the world where this is not well known and understood is the dumbed down USA.
A return to the UN sanctioned borders of 1947 is the only ethically, morally and judicial possible way forward. Until then, the conflict will continue and slowly escalate. This will not happen until the majority of the US population get rid of the Israel lobby in the Congress and demands that Israel start abiding to international law.
Now, let’s see how many downvotes this post will get from the enlightened intelligentia populating this thread.
The Palestinians had nothing to do with Holocaust, stupid.
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (written by an Israeli Jewish Historian): https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1550042419&sr=8-1&keywords=the+ethnic+cleansing+of+palestine
But I guess Professor Ilan Pappe also is a Nazi according to you?
Recommended reading from Theodor Herzl (founding father of zionism) to Noam Chomsky (secular jewish intellectual) for those who are truly interested in the facts:
The Jewish State (Der Judenstaat), (1896) [https://archive.org/details/ajewishstateana00aviggoog]
On Palestine - Noam Chomsky
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe (jewish historian)
Sorry You have a false idea of Sovereignty. The very idea of Sovereignty itself, is a concept of international law. no nation gets to pick and chose what laws it is subject to. We have hanged people who thought they could ethnically-cleanse people.
And no, buying a piece of land today is not the same thing as buying feudal land. and like I said it is an irrelevant point because of the tiny tiny portion of land involved.
What really went on,
Iran's democracy was formed in 1906 in a popular pro-West Constitutional Revolution led by actual freedom fighters againt colonialists; Israel was officially "created" by the colonialists in 1948 on the smoldering heap of Palestinians dead bodies
Israel is a "Democracy" that has racially segregated schools and laws that prohibit intermarriage, among other things that would not be tolerated in any actual democracy
And government officials who shout about the Superior Jewish Race - literally
That's why the Gaza Strip today has a population of 1.8 million people, about as high a population density as Hong Kong, out of which 1.6 million are refugees who were forced there after Israel took their lands
Read The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and The Idea of Israel both by Jewish Israeli historian Ilan Pappe. Essentially none of that is true. Long story short, Israel needs to be viewed through the lense of a decades long colonial project began in 1880s to take as much land as possible from Palestinians and push them off of the land, leaving more (eventually all of it) for Zionist Jews.
>whats a good primer for debunking common pro israeli talking points that all Palestinian need to be kept in apartheid because they are too dangerous to live with/reason/negotiate land treaties with?
I mean, do you need a primer to debunk blatant racism? It's like asking for a way to debunk the propaganda of slave masters.
Here are some links:
Ilan's Pape book: https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe...
If Not Now: http://ifnotnowmovement.org/