Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

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Author: Bart D. Ehrman
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by CreationExposedBot   2019-07-21

> No, they don't. > > https://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060859512 > > But we might just have to agree to disagree about that. In any case...

No, the only thing I'll agree to is that both you and Ehrman are totally wrong.

https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Case-Christianity-Homicide-Detective-Investigates/dp/1434704696/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Cold+case+christianity&qid=1554338796&s=books&sr=1-1

>Either way, let me just ask you: does faith in the God of the Bible produce any measurable (by a non-believer) effect that faith in some other god does not? If so, what is it? If not, then in what sense can such a god be said to exist?

You're asking the wrong question. The only effect my faith in God produces is my personal salvation, which is not testable. But is there good evidence that the God of the Bible is the one true God? Yes, there is very good evidence of that. One of the most powerful of these is fulfilled prophecy.

See: https://www.amazon.com/Messianic-Hope-Hebrew-Studies-Theology-ebook/dp/B004OR18CY/ref=sr_1_1?crid=181JAOD14V0WZ&keywords=is+the+hebrew+bible+messianic&qid=1554338880&s=gateway&sprefix=is+the+hebrew+bible%2Cstripbooks%2C274&sr=8-1


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by CreationExposedBot   2019-07-21

> The same techniques that lead us to suspect the ending of Mark might not be genuine show us that the vast majority of the New Testament exists largely unchanged from the original manuscripts, save for the odd spelling error.

No, they don't.

https://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060859512

But we might just have to agree to disagree about that. In any case...

> I believe only in the God of the Bible.

With or without Mark 16:17-18?

Either way, let me just ask you: does faith in the God of the Bible produce any measurable (by a non-believer) effect that faith in some other god does not? If so, what is it? If not, then in what sense can such a god be said to exist?


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by [deleted]   2019-07-21

> No, they don't. > > https://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060859512 > > But we might just have to agree to disagree about that. In any case...

No, the only thing I'll agree to is that both you and Ehrman are totally wrong.

https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Case-Christianity-Homicide-Detective-Investigates/dp/1434704696/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Cold+case+christianity&qid=1554338796&s=books&sr=1-1

>Either way, let me just ask you: does faith in the God of the Bible produce any measurable (by a non-believer) effect that faith in some other god does not? If so, what is it? If not, then in what sense can such a god be said to exist?

You're asking the wrong question. The main effect my faith in God produces is my personal salvation, which is not testable. But is there good evidence that the God of the Bible is the one true God? Yes, there is very good evidence of that. One of the most powerful of these is fulfilled prophecy.

See: https://www.amazon.com/Messianic-Hope-Hebrew-Studies-Theology-ebook/dp/B004OR18CY/ref=sr_1_1?crid=181JAOD14V0WZ&keywords=is+the+hebrew+bible+messianic&qid=1554338880&s=gateway&sprefix=is+the+hebrew+bible%2Cstripbooks%2C274&sr=8-1

by NewtsHemorrhoids   2019-07-21

>The main scholarly and intellectual tradition in Western Europe was operated and controlled by the Catholic Church

For territories said war culture conquered, for indoctrination. As Christianity depends on illiteracy and ignorance? Yes, you're right. Same "Universities" say the same thing, using 'savage' as thats key word for slavery and colonization for the RCC.

Citation on said celebration of ignorance over education is somewhere on page 50ish in this book, which I know you don't care if I citation anyway.

https://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060859512

We can see how much they actually cared about education when it came to Gallileo.

Is /r/badhistory Christianized history? I don't want to waste my time by reading it.

by NewtsHemorrhoids   2019-07-21

>So I guess you never heard how that story goes?

According to whose interpretation? There's more than just one, because, like most of these religions they depend upon syncretism and re-interpreting 'divine revelation' over and over again.

Example: You're ignoring the ambiguous word, 'all' being fulfilled, -- which clearly, the law was not and god's eternal promise to "Israel" is broken otherwise, making God a liar. Thus the end times cults, who are just as right as you can be -- by re-interpreting that divine revelation the way they want it.

>But seriously, Jesus directly undermines OT cleanliness laws in chapter 15 by saying that what a person eats doesn't make them unclean. He also did things that went against the letter of the OT law like "working" on the Sabbath. If you reductionist interpretation of Jesus' comments on fulfilling the law was true, the author would have been contradicting himself within mere pages of chapter 5. That does not seem like a plausible we explanation.

That because the most plausible and occums razor explanation is the fact that the bible is a work of pious fiction and we should expect direct contradictions (as we know and now observe easily on multiple websites). Not your explanation.

If there is a creator, or creators plural, it's not a geocentric/hymen/male focused one.

We know the NT has been edited, changed, redacted, with more overall changes in the NT total, than words combined. [1]

Something you refuse to accept. Protip: It's a crock of shit.

by drwookie   2017-08-19

Ehrman has a very nice overview of the different techniques used to trace the origin of manuscripts, the bible included. Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible, and Why .

Some of his other books may also be of interest. He's a historian of religion specializing in bibles and ancient scripture. Very readable, reasonable length books.