The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Author: Carl Sagan
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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

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by 4THOT   2018-11-10

For supplementary information related to the history of science I really recommend this series of lectures from Peter Millican . They're much more grounded and cite actual historical texts, and I think understanding the historical philosophical problems that "modern" science came in conflict with gives a much better understanding of "The Enlightenment™" and modern history.

by BeringStraitNephite   2018-11-10

I have always been hooked on technology and science. I didn't realize I wasn't really thinking critically until I read Carl Sagan's book

https://toptalkedbooks.com/amzn/0345409469

by urban_npc   2018-11-10

>I mean, that's kind of the crux of the issue, you can't get the exact claim if you aren't understanding the concepts behind the claim (I haven't watched the episode, but i presume it explains them)

I didn't ask to clairfy for my own understanding, I have to ask because I've been through this same argument several times and every time I've gotten different & inconsistent definitions from the other person.

>Gender identity on the other hand is an internal, deeply held sense of what gender you are, which is what liberals (and science) are saying is something that is separate from sex, but also has a biological basis (implausible as that sounds)

So, you think they're arguing that someone can believe that they are something on a spectrum? I don't think that's in any way revolutionary. I can deeply believe I'm an ostrich, or a frog, or some hybrid. Still doesn't make me one.

I've heard 5 people now (just in this thread) tell me science agrees or that they could get me scientific papers on it, but the best anyone has done so far was a link to a British tabloid. I'm starting to think you guy's don't understand credibility / empirical evidence or have just convinced yourselves it's true regardless of reality.

I'd recommend each of you get yourselves a copy of The Demon-Haunted World or find a pdf of it online.

by BeringStraitNephite   2018-11-10

I was trapped in a cult called Mormonism. This magazine taught me much about critical thinking and I escaped :

https://www.csicop.org/si

And this :

Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time https://toptalkedbooks.com/amzn/0805070893

And this:

The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark https://toptalkedbooks.com/amzn/0345409469

by spaceghoti   2018-11-10

What resources I recommend depends a great deal on what questions they have. For general resources I recommend the Youtube series Why I Am No Longer A Christian

by aPinkFloyd   2018-11-10

Lots of love for you, here are some thoughts of mine...

  • it is a mistake to believe that you should be asking the question "What is the purpose of my life?" it's not a question you ask, IT IS A QUESTION YOU ANSWER! and you answer it by living your life as ONLY you can, having the adventure that is your life experience, discovering the magical miracle that is ONLY YOU in all of this vast universe!

  • After losing Mormonism and the understanding of the universe that goes with it, I find myself an atheist, which has made this little journey of life INFINITELY more precious to me. It's all and everything we have! (as far as we know).

  • I have pulled in many helpful, empowering, peaceful ideas from Buddhism, Philosophy, Science that has helped me start to form a new, optimistic, and amazingly open minded new world-view. I no longer have to believe anything that doesn't make sense, I get to believe only sweet things now, and that is SO nice.

Here are some resources that I have been really grateful for on my journey, which I am 12 months into...

The Obstacle is the Way

The Daily Stoic this is my new "daily bible" I read a page every morning

Secular Buddhism podcast

Waking Up podcast

End of Faith

The Demon Haunted World

Philosophize This! podcast OR Partially Examined Life podcast

I wish you the very best in your journey, be patient with yourself, you have EVERY reason to be! Start filling your mind with powerful positive ideas, keep the ones that help you find your way, set aside the ones that don't.

And remember, you are young and free and the possibilities of what your life can become are boundless!

by CaptainOuzo   2018-02-16

Here's a real shit-sifter for only $11.55. Or as worded by the author, a "bullshit detection kit".

by roundeyeddog   2018-02-16

I would actually recommend these two books:

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I'm not trying to be condescending, but these will really steer you in the right direction on sourcing. I still use both in my daily life all the time.

by StardustSapien   2018-02-16

For a thriller treatment of infections diseases, the following are a nice read

I'm inclined to also suggest the works of Simon Singh . But he has also written about cosmology and "alternative" medicine . The later got him involved in a landmark libel lawsuit in the UK. For that reason, there is probably more than the usual bit of politics you'd expect in a popular science book. However, in the post-truth era of Donald Trump and company, that maybe fitting if bitter medicine.

Edit: As someone who may not have the best scientific background, one might be prone to confuse science with pseudoscience. Even today, there is no shortage of low quality literature on UFOs and parapsychology. As such, Carl Sagan's The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark is highly recommended.

by spaceghoti   2017-08-19

I think Carl Sagan addresses this squarely in his book The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. Here's one excerpt where he examines one problem:

> Mr. 'Buckley' - well-spoken, intelligent, curious - had heard virtually nothing of modern science. He had a natural appetite for the wonders of the Universe. He wanted to know about science. It's just that all the science had gotten filtered out before it reached him. Our cultural motifs, our educational system, our communications media had failed this man. What society permitted to trickle through was mainly pretence and confusion. It had never taught him how to distinguish real science from the cheap imitation. He knew nohing about how science works.