A Manual for Creating Atheists

Author: Peter Boghossian
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by abathur   2017-09-04
For the curious, the "Street Epistemology" movement, which employs the Socratic method, was coined/outlined by Peter Boghossian in his book "A Manual for Creating Atheists" (https://www.amazon.com/Manual-Creating-Atheists-Peter-Boghos...). You can find more about it's goals and methods by searching around for street epistemology, or by reading the book. It's a relatively quick read.
by iHaveAgency   2017-08-19

Don't read the Bible, no one does that, esp. not xians.

http://www.atheos-app.com/

Or read the book by the guy producing that app, *A Manual for Creating Atheists * by Peter Boghossian. He's a philosophy prof. at OSU.

by The_Cantabrigian   2017-08-19

Isn't this the guy that wrote The Manual for Creating Atheists? .

by TheoriginalTonio   2017-08-19

I can only recommend this book . if you know how to talk people out of their faith, you don't have to deal with faith-based bullshit anymore.

by markevens   2017-08-19

If he doesn't want to read something, don't push it on him.

Even if he does end up reading it, it won't be a proper reading, just something to please you that he begrudgingly does.

It is like reading a book that you were forced to read in school years after the fact, and you love the book on the 2nd reading but because you were forced to read it the first time you didn't engage it the way you should have. Same thing.

If you want to have a good discussion with him, you need to stop telling him things and instead start asking questions. With the right questions, he comes to his own answers instead of some kid (which you are in his eyes because he is your uncle) telling him.

This is the socratic method, and it works. If you want to learn more about applying it to atheism, check out A Manual for Creating Atheists.

by meowmixmotherfucker   2017-08-19

> she is normally the "victim" of this change.

Scare quotes. Exactly.

She's not a victim of your atheism even if she acts like it. The problem is that faith is inherently irrational and irrationality can't be dealt with logically, so when your disbelief shows it puts the ridiculous nature of her delusions in stark contrast to their illogical roots. Sadly, for both of you really, people often have a hard time seeing themselves as separate from their core ideological values, even if those "beliefs" are fundamentally at odds with the world around them.

She's not a victim and neither are you (unless you count two childhoods spent being indoctrinated into a middle-astern blood cult, but that's a different rant). Neither are you an aggressor. You could be Boghossian-ing her, though I would hope you'd be as kind about is as possible (basically, don't repeat anything I say ;)

You might consider listening to Bar Room Atheists with Bill and Susie. They went through something similar when Bill came out as an atheist and Susie was still a believer. She used to tell him "not to kick her puppy," code for "don't talk shit about Jesus" until eventually she became and atheist as well. Perhaps you're not interested in putting the time it would take to de-convert your wife, but if you intend to stay together, frankly, it seems like the only real option as, once having seen behind the curtain, returning to true faith is virtually impossible (short of head trauma I suppose).

by Dargo200   2017-08-19

I see two options here:

He's already admitted that he's unwilling to change his mind and that his faith is more important than truth. He could be telling the truth, which would mean you're wasting your time, or, it's just his mental conditioning coming out and subconsciously some of the stuff is getting through and making him uncomfortable. You need to determine which is the case.

If you want to try to get through to him then I would suggest getting this book . I would also suggest subscribing to a YouTube user called Anthony Magnabosco who puts the books techniques into practice on the street. The book focuses more on epistemology, so you won't have to teach anyone science or formal logic. The book show you how to make people cast doubt on what they think they know (when they actually don't). Once people have doubts then it's usually the beginning of the end for faith.